First Nominations Questions

[modzilla]

Thank you for all the nominations!
Nominations instructions | Tag set

Please help me answer some questions about nominations I'm confused about or where people may have different opinions to settle.

Characters

In Crossover Fandom, "Other: Worldbuilding (Destiny & Marathon)" is nominated. Worldbuilding seems outside the scope of Crossover Fandom to me - nominator, what did you have in mind?

I have also already approved "Group: Alex Rider (Alex Rider)/Artemis Fowl (Artemis Fowl)" in Crossover Fandom, but please could I hear further from the nominator to clarify whether this means book characters, recent adaptation characters, or something else?

Similarly, for "Group: Susan Pevensie (Narnia)/Boromir (Lord of the Rings)", and for other Crossover Fandom pairings, please indicate which version of canon each character is coming from.

In JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, could I check that "Kira Yoshikage" and "Killer Queen" are separate characters?

In Kushiel's Legacy, an "Original Character (Kushiel's Legacy)" has been nominated. Could the nominator please narrow down what sort of character, and in what time period in the series, you are interested in?

In Original Work, "Other: Worldbuilding (OW)" is nominated. Unfortunately I will not approve that tag for this fandom, as it is too broad, but the nominator is welcome to nominate another character for Original Work instead.

In Star Wars Legends: Clone Wars: Gambit Series - Karen Miller, the relationship "Qui-Gon Jinn/Obi-Wan Kenobi & Greti" is nominated, but it looks as though Qui-Gon does not appear in this series. Could the nominator please confirm they mean Qui-Gon, or is this meant to be Anakin?

Fandom groups

DCEU
How do you want the DCEU handled? So far, there are nominations for:

• Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice


• Birds of Prey (And the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn) (2020)


• and DC Extended Universe - which includes:

Group: Arthur Curry/Orm Marius (DCEU)
Group: Bruce Wayne/Clark Kent (DC Extended Universe)
Group: Clark Kent/Bruce Wayne (DCEU) (x2)
Group: Clark Kent/Lex Luther (DC Extended Universe)
Group: GQ Edwards/Waylon Jones (DC Extended Universe)
Group: GQ Edwards/Waylon Jones (DCEU)
Group: Helena Bertinelli/Dinah Lance (DCEU)
Group: Lois Lane/Diana Prince (DCEU)

Assassin's Creed
How do you want these games handled? So far, there are nominations for:

• Assassin's Creed - Ezio Trilogy


• and Assassin's Creed - All Media Types - which includes:

Group: Alexios/Brasidas (Assassin's Creed)
Group: Alexios/Brasidas/Stentor (AC)
Group: Alexios/Deimos!Alexios (Assassin's Creed)
Group: Alexios/Stentor (AC)
Group: Alexios/Stentor (Assassin's Creed)
Group: Deimos!Kassandra/Stentor (Assassin's Creed)
Group: Haytham Kenway/Charles Lee (AC)
Group: Jacob Frye/Ned Wynert (AC)
Group: Kyra/Thaletas (Assassin's Creed)
Group: Lysander/Stentor (AC)

All Media Types, & Related Fandoms

For Divergent - All Media Types - no book or movies preference?

For Dragon Age (Video Games) - is this how the fandom usually handles this in exchanges or is there a case for splitting up? I will approve this if there is no further input, but wanted to raise it for discussion.

For Hunger Games Series - All Media Types - no book or movies preference?

Nominator of Les Misérables - All Media Types, could you please pick a version? I've already approved Hugo's book and the 25th Anniversary production. Either of those, or a different version, is fine.

There's Terminator (Movies) - is everyone OK with all Terminator characters and pairings showing up under that? For example, I have Sarah Connor, whom I osmose as having several alternate timelines. I will approve this if there is no further input, but wanted to raise it for discussion.

For The Vampire Diaries & Related Fandoms - is this how the fandom usually handles it in exchanges? What are the related fandoms?


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Comments

[modzilla]

Yes, it does. I'm sorry, but after further thought I'm not willing to approve this nomination, as the two characters do not exist in the same continuity. I think it would be suited to an alternate universe exchange or another exchange where a trope or plot is included in the tags.

[(Anonymous)]

Would this work as a crossover nomination or does this mean that different versions of the same character are ineligible there, too?

[modzilla]

You are welcome to specify whether Deimos!Alexios or not-Deimos!Alexios is meant when pairing him with people from other canons.

If you want to nominate a version of Alexios who became Deimos from one Assassin's Creed game and a version of Alexios who didn't become Deimos from a different Assassin's Creed game, under Crossover Fandom, you can.

[(Anonymous)]

Hi, I'm a different anon. I wanted to say, earnestly, that this decision does not make sense.

Not only are both Alexios and Alexios!Deimos two separate characters, but they are from the same game. It's not a crossover.

When you choose to play as Kassandra, she is the older sibling, and Alexios becomes Deimos.

If you choose to play as Alexios, then Kassandra is the younger sibling and becomes Deimos.

Both Alexios and Alexios!Deimos exist and are separate characters with separate pasts.

You've put all of Assassin's Creed into the AMT tag, so I don't understand why just this one pairing would count as a crossover? When looking at a tagset for what to offer/request, I would never think to look under crossovers for a pairing that exists entirely within one game.

[modzilla]

I appreciate you engaging earnestly (as I think everyone in this thread is).

The crossover suggestion was from another person, not from me - I was replying to say how I thought it could work as a crossover, but I agree it's not an intuitive way to handle it.

Maybe I've made this ruling based on a misunderstanding? But it seems to be that these two characters don't both exist independently in the same universe. Either one does or the other does. You say the two characters have separate pasts, but in order to give them separate existences it seems that you have to recreate one of them as an OC. Yes, I'm allowing ships between other characters that don't meet or don't have overlapping lifetimes, but they exist independently in the same continuity. To me, that is the difference, and that is what makes this a nomination of a specific AU, which this exchange is not designed around, rather than an ordinary ship nomination.

However, I suppose this is not a hill I want to die on, and clearly more than one person wants this ship in the tag set. So I will add it back in for this year.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not the nominator but thank you for responding! I appreciate your willingness to add this back in.

I'm still not sure this points to a specific AU any more than characters who can't meet but exist in the same continuity, though. It's asking for Eagle Bearer Alexios to meet Deimos Alexios, which would need dimension travel rather than recreating one of them as an OC. I don't know if that's much different from needing time travel for ships separated by time?