Nominations Queries 4

[modzilla]

Getting closer...

Alice in Borderland (TV and Manga)
Nominator, could you expand a little on why this should be both TV and manga, in contrast to the canonical tags? I'm unfamiliar with this canon.

Almost Human (TV)
Group: MX-43 Character/Richard Paul (Almost Human)
Does this mean any existing MX-43 character, or an original one?

Beatles (Band)
Group: Linda McCartney/Paul McCartney & children (Beatles)
This tag was approved by mistake - sorry about that, nominator. I will change this to Linda/Paul & Stella & Mary unless you'd like another tag or you think another of the relevant children qualifies as a celebrity. I do not wish to approve RPF characters who are not famous in their own right.

Crossover Fandom
Group: Esme Cullen (Twilight)/Narcissa Malfoy (HP)
Group: Jareth (Labyrinth)/Tristan Thorn (Stardust)
Group: Kit Snicket (ASOUE)/Madeleine (Gunpowder Milkshake)
Group: Mike Jackson/Rupert Psmith (Wodehouse) & Aziraphale/Crowley (Good Omens)
Lance Tucker (The Bronze)/Sam Wilson (Marvel)
Other: Worldbuilding (Howl's Moving Castle) & (Labyrinth)
Other: Worldbuilding (Howl's Moving Castle) & (Spirited Away)
Other: Worldbuilding (Howl's Moving Castle) & (The Witcher TV)
Nominators, please narrow down which canons/adaptations/universes are meant for Good Omens, Howl's Moving Castle, Marvel, A Series of Unfortunate Events, Stardust, and Twilight. If I don't hear otherwise I'll assume HP can be changed to HP-JKR.

Homestuck 1, Homestuck 2
I'm a bit out of my depth here, sorry. What does Homestuck 2 refer to, specifically? Is that the canon also formatted as Homestuck^2? Is Homestuck 1 the original Homestuck, or everything that isn't Homestuck^2? Help please.

Iron Man Noir
Group: Steve Rogers/Tony Stark (Noir)
Help me out here please - Steve Rogers doesn't seem to appear in Iron Man Noir. Should this be a crossover nomination?

Journey (Video Game 2012)
I'm having some trouble with the character names - advice appreciated. Who is the Precursor? Are the nominated White Cloak and Red Cloak characters specific characters or original characters (especially in regards to Red Cloak/Red Cloak)?

Original Work
Group: Confused Orc/Man Who Accidentally Seduced Him By Rolling 1 On Attack Then Went With It (OW)
Uh, should this go under Forgotten Realms?

Paintings - James Christensen
Please be more specific. Is there a name for a series of this artist's works?

Twilight Series - All Media Types
Jasper Hale
Bella Swan
Would you like this to go under the movies or under Meyer's books?

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not the nominator for this tagset, but I've nominated Journey for other exchanges. There are no character names in Journey, and no spoken dialogue. The fandom convention is to call the characters that appear in the game by their cloak colors (Red Cloak and White Cloak). Because the game is semi-cooperative, you often get "friends" that show up along the way. They can be wearing red cloaks or white cloaks, so Red Cloak/Red Cloak is generally understood by Journey fandom to mean two different characters wearing red cloaks.

Precursor is not a standard name for the character that appears to "teach" the main character about the history of the world, but to someone in the fandom, it's fairly obvious who it refers to. The character is also called Ancestor or Guardian.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Whoops, came back and it looks like my tone sounds really harsh. Sorry about that! Chalk it up to an early morning without coffee. Hope the nominator chimes in soon, esp. about the Red Cloak/Red Cloak nom!

[(Anonymous)]

Almost Human (TV)
Group: MX-43 Character/Richard Paul (Almost Human)
Does this mean any existing MX-43 character, or an original one?

I was thinking of Paul's MX partner that is still alive by the end of the season, but I didn't think to be specific in the nomination.

Not the nominator, but unfortunately there's no Steve Rogers in the Marvel Noir verse.

[(Anonymous)]

re: Noir, FWIW

When writing Steve/Tony in Marvel Noir, the authors make up how Steve would fit in that universe. It's commonly accepted within Noir fandom that some version of Steve exists, the creator just makes up how he exists.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

It's a bit of a weird situation, but people don't bring in other Steves, they create a Noir one.

[felixphial]

Group: Esme Cullen (Twilight)/Narcissa Malfoy (HP)

This is mine! Sorry, HP can be HP-JKR. I don’t have strong feelings about whether the Twilight part is put with the movies or the books, as I haven’t read all the books yet. Wherever all the other Twilight noms are is fine!

On a related note, I think there is an error in the following nom?

Group: Alice Carlisle/Bella Swan (Twilight - Meyer)

I’m not an expert on this canon, but I believe Alice’s last name is Cullen. Carlisle Cullen is the foster father of all the vampire “kids.” This was not my nom, but I think it might just be a mixup with the surname.

[chase_acow]

Lance Tucker (The Bronze)/Sam Wilson (Marvel)

This was me, sorry I did it so wrong! I should have done MCU probably, or Falcon and the Winter Soldier if you want to get real nitty gritty.

Group: Linda McCartney/Paul McCartney & children (Beatles)

[mkrobinson]

that's fine

[yelp]

Regarding "Alice in Borderland (TV and Manga)", I didn't nominate the fandom, but I did nominate the two tags under "今際の国のアリス | Imawa no Kuni no Alice | Alice in Borderland (TV)". The TV show so far covers the first half of the manga pretty faithfully, with slight alterations (perhaps the nominator for "TV and Manga" wanted to specify being comfortable with both versions). The characters I nominated all exist in the TV show, but get much more development in the second half of the manga. I decided to use the existing canonical tag, but I'd also be happy for my nominations to be switched over to a manga tag, which might be more accurate?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, Homestuck 1 is intended as the original run of the webcomic up to the end credits. Homestuck 2 is intended to be a name for Homestuck^2: Beyond Canon.

AO3 syns them all under Homestuck. I was hoping that the fact that they're written by different people (Andrew Hussie for HS1, and a team for HS2: https://www.homestuck2.com/credits, though Hussie did outline the story), have notably different takes on the characters, and are separated to a degree by the whole "beyond canon" bit would mean it's OK for the noms to be separate. Mostly because the dynamics of the ships I nominated would be wildly different depending on what is being drawn from.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the Journey nominator! I used the term "Precursor" because I was having a brainfart. This is probably fine (because everyone in the fandom will know what it means) but changing it to the more standard Ancestor or Guardian would also be fine.

Regarding whether these are original or canonical character tags, red cloaks and white cloaks are like Among Us characters: they're unique but fungible and have canonical experiences (essentially the same for each) but not personalities nor really names. "Red Cloak/Red Cloak" and "Original Red Cloak/Original Red Cloak" are basically synonyms, so I nominated in the format that resembled Among Us' nominations.

(Also, sorry about inexplicably leaving out Group: on these nominations, Modzilla. My Journey brainfart was weirdly comprehensive.)

[modzilla]

Thanks! For the record - although it's very nice of you to add that disclaimer - I didn't get anything unpleasant from your tone in the first comment. It's all helpful information addressing what I asked about.

[modzilla]

That makes sense to me, thanks! So a red cloak or a white cloak in the tags could equally be the player character, or another world-dweller of the same kind.

[modzilla]

Thanks! Which do you prefer of MCU vs F&WS?

[modzilla]

Thanks! Would "Paul's MX-43 Partner" work to narrow down that character?

[(Anonymous)]

A good example is the latest Noir exchange: https://archiveofourown.org/collections/marvelling_noir_exchange_2021/fandoms The ones tagged with 616 and Tsum Tsums are actual crossovers - everything else is Noir Tony/Made-up Noir Steve.

[sheliak]

Not the Original Work nominator, but a lot of generic DnD-inspired characters and ships do get nominated under OW--I don't think it's meant to be Forgotten Realms necessarily.

It might also be inspired by this comic? (Not recommending a switch to this comic as fandom.)
https://mythjae.wordpress.com/2016/01/28/fated-3/

[(Anonymous)]

+1, I wouldn't expect that to be tied to a specific D&D setting or even a specific game IP so much as just generic hack-and-slash fantasy. Maybe change the "rolling a 1" language to "Accidentally Seduced Him by Critically Failing an Attack" if the dice-rolling reference is a problem?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the nominator of the Original Work tag you're asking about, and I was just thinking of it applying to any kind of RPG-flavored SFF world setting, where the part about rolling a 1 could be literal or metaphorical.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the nominator of that tag, and I've never seen that comic before, but now that I have, I love it! :D

The tag was actually inspired by a tee-shirt I saw for sale that said, "You reach out to push the orc off the ledge [image of a polyhedral die that rolled a 1] but instead, lightly caress his back. He is uncomfortable."

[(Anonymous)]

Sounds fine. Thanks.

[modzilla]

Thanks, and to subsequent commenters, for this explanation! I will think about it - generally "exists in this fandom" is a sensible requirement for characters in tag sets. Is there a way of indicating the character is borrowed in that would be acceptable?

Nominator

[withinmelove]

lol oops forgot there are different versions of Howl's Moving Castle and Stardust. I'm the nominator for those. For Howl's Moving Castle I meant the movie version and Stardust the movie as well.

[modzilla]

Ah, good catch, thanks!

It looks like we have more books than movies right now but if you're more familiar with the movies, the two HP crossovers with Twilight can be that.

[chase_acow]

MCU.

I'm really looking forward to this exchange. Thank you so much for modding it!